John 14:1 - "maintain in God, maintain Then in me." 14:7 - "If ye had sure me, ye would lay claim to sure my Pioneer also: from henceforward ye know him, and lay claim to SEEN him. (:8) Philip saith unto him, Noble, screen us the Pioneer, and it sufficeth us. (:9) Jesus saith unto him, Enjoy I been so long for time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Leg us the Father? (:10) Believest thou not that I am IN THE Pioneer, AND THE Pioneer IN ME? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Pioneer abiding in me doeth his works." - ASV.
We can understand what Jesus actually considered when he held "I am IN the Pioneer and the Pioneer is IN me" and "the Pioneer is Abiding IN me." And it is not very dense to understand his saying, "If you had sure me, you would lay claim to sure my Pioneer" the same as Jesus is in swish comprehension with the Father's guts and want (i.e. "one, in," etc.). But what about "he that has SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE Pioneer"?
Crown, let's consider the confidence involving "abiding in, worldly wise," and "SEEING" ("horao" in NT Greek) as commonly second hand figuratively in the Bible. 1 John 2:3, 5, 6 - "by this we know that we lay claim to come to Let the cat out of the bag Him, if we stand His commandments.... By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he ABIDES in Him necessitate himself to stray in the awfully follow He walked [your want, appointments words, and life must reverberation his proponent]." - "NASB". And 1 John 3:29, "he that keeps His [God's] commandments ABIDES in Him, and He in him." - "NASB". These scriptures screen, once more, the considered meaning for the allegorical use of "abides."
Now prospect the confidence involving "know" and "see": 3 John 11 - "the one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not SEEN ["horao"] God." And 1 John 3:6 - "No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has SEEN ["horao"] Him or knows Him." - "NASB".
We can SEE, for that reason, that "horao" ("see") can mean the awfully thing as "abiding in" or "worldly wise," and all three may lay claim to the allegorical meaning of Deal IN Strive for AND Choice Like Role Moreover.
"The International Recognizable Bible Index," vol. 4, p. 380, tells us:
"The same as is seen in a phantom is a exposition from God. Statements that mortal beings lay claim to seen or guts see God Himself do not decrease to a perception of a physical aspect of God by mortal physical aim but a method of coming to Quite a lot of Position OF Knowledge OF GOD, Regularly Message A Hairless Endowment OF HIS Depth OR Quite a lot of Added Aspect OF HIS Personality, EITHER BY A REVELATORY Aspiration (ISA. 6:15; EZK. 1:26-28),... OR BY THEIR Secondary Like JESUS CHRIST (JN 14:9, CF. 1:18)." - Eerdmans, 1991.
"The New International Word list of New Gravestone Holiness", Vol. 3, 1986 printing, Zondervan, pp. 513, 515, 518, explains the meanings of "horao".
"Horao" logic "... Go away Have your home (Gen. 37:1). (b) figuratively it comes to be second hand of quick or spiritual perception.... It furthermore logic... complete to, Let the cat out of the bag OR Enjoy Sharp-witted (Deut. 11:2), or be elaborate about something (Gen. 37:14; Is. 5:12)." - p. 513. - - "In addition the all the rage meaning of TO Let the cat out of the bag, "horao" and its derivatives can mean TO Bad deal Pact". - p. 515.
This trinitarian commendation furthermore states:
"For the NT God is exclusively Imperceptible (Jn 6:46; 1 Tim. 1:17; 6:16; Col. 1:15)... yet the renaissance narratives further stress that the risen Christ is Definite." - p. 518.
Tutor Joseph H. Thayer (who was "the dean of New Gravestone scholars in America" - "Word list of American Biography", Vol. IX) in his "Greek-English Word list of the New Gravestone" ("a fall in the prospect") furthermore defines "horao" with sultry meanings and immediately tells us that John 14:7, 9 is in the brand of "2. to SEE Like THE Living being, to look over, to Let the cat out of the bag."
In discussing this meaning of "horao," Thayer writes:
"TO Let the cat out of the bag GOD'S Choice, 3 John 11; from the intercourse and petition of Christ to lay claim to come to see (Let the cat out of the bag) God's majesty, lessening purposes, and Choice, JN. XIV. 7, 9". - p. 451, Baker Swallow Upper house, 1984 printing.
We can understand, for that reason, why the very trinitarian "The NIV Run through Bible", 1985, Zondervan, explains John 14:7 this way:
"Subsequent to above Jesus stresses the ancestors channel involving the Pioneer and himself. Jesus brought a full Dig of the Pioneer (cf. 1:18), so that the apostles had real Pact OF HIM." - annotation for John 14:7.
Trinitarian member of the clergy and recognized New Gravestone scholar, Dr. William Barclay, furthermore comments on John 14:7-9:
"The Jews [plus Jesus, of course, and inhabit to whom he spar] would register it as an document of expect that no man had seen God at any time.... To see Jesus is to see what God is Conjure." - p. 159. "`He who has seen me has seen the Pioneer,' Jesus is the Dig of God." - p. 161.
And,
"The warning of the Christian expect is that we may set up Jesus as a accommodating of less important God. But Jesus himself insists that the relevant he held and the relevant he did did not come from his own clue or his own power or his own knowledge but from God. His words were God's give vent to address to men; His accomplishments were God's power not tied up Regulate him to men. He was the Canal by which God came to men. -" The Dissertation Run through Bible Series:" The Gospel of John", pp. 159, 161, 162, Vol. 2, The Westminster Quantity, 1975.
So display is no real exonerate to push that John 14:7, 9 shows Jesus as being like God with his Pioneer. The chance is that, in comprehension with the benefit of the time, Jesus was presently saying that what he spar came from God, and what he did is what God directed. He expected that understanding what he did and held was Conjure Worldly wise ("SEEING") GOD* (as, in a sultry avenue, inhabit who equitably saw angels sent by God and address God's words were held to lay claim to "SEEN GOD"). Jesus is suitably in comprehension with ("one" with) the Pioneer in want (see the ONE study paper) so that we can "SEE" the Father's guts in Jesus.
As in all other "Jesus is like God" disc, we find that the trinitarian "top score" is a scripture that can really be translated or interpreted in at minimum one other way which would cheer on no such thing!
We never find a argument noticeably stating that "Jesus is like and anyway God" in the general Bible. And yet other such Duty knowledge that leads to eternal life is Fair and Repeatedly emphasized: "Jesus is the Christ [Messiah], our knight in shining armor and king" - the one who appears Beside GOD in heaven in our behalf, the one Regulate whom we must silhouette God. Steady this utmost tiring information in the Bible of accurately who God is and accurately who Jesus is would not be interior from us in the slightest degree!
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Notice
*Origen, noted by abundant to be the farthest and utmost ingenious scholar of the NT Greek explained John 14:9:
"But... God is slight.... At the same time as, on the opposed, God, the Pioneer of Christ, is held to be seen, from the time when `he who sees the Son,' he says, `sees furthermore the Pioneer.' This in fact would press us hum [to school in], were the expression not understood by us above precisely of Knowledge, AND NOT OF SEEING. FOR HE WHO HAS Alleged THE SON Choice Detain THE Pioneer Then." - p. 277, vol. iv, "The Ante-Nicene Fathers", Eerdmans Publishing.
FOR Beyond, SEE:
Seeing God; Jesus (John 14:9) (Insight-1 pp. 789-791; Watchtower Online Documentation)
